(You miss dunking? Have some dunk, Rich!) Move over dumbasses, here come the identitarian white liberals to show you how Mastodon should be done!!! and pave the way for minorities!! Thank goodness Black people have this unbidden pack of crackers doing vanguard service to accurately and faithfully advance their causes! To bring back … quote tweets, the healthiest feature on Twitter! What we're really missing on this website is maximum conflict.
@bobbyd0g i will just point out that
- japanese mastodon instances have quote tweets for years
- misskey has had quote tweets for years
- pleroma has had quote tweets since 2020
this entire debate is stupid and a waste of everyone's time
@ariadne that is one thing i said in my direct response
@ariadne @bobbyd0g This feels like the emote reactions back and forth on forums of yesteryear whose social problems boiled down to being an active moderation issue rather than a structural flaw of the mechanic.
I really hate how indiscriminate of quoting a "retweet" is but in a place with no global text search (and after hearing the perspectives of other treehouse users) I think having an implementation is better than none at all.
@conte @ariadne If the network continued to reject and effectively repel broad search, the deleterious effects of QTs would be greatly reduced from the original functionality on Twitter. However I believe we should always *consider* the way we build our systems as erecting incentive structures for users that may or may not be conducive to healthy social connection. You'll never catch me claiming QTs have no positive value, only that they can and do harm.
@bobbyd0g @ariadne That's the reason why I think a quote system that eschews the behavioral loop is better than none at all at this point, because any attempt by the user to redo it (screenshot, text copying) reintroduces the context, provenance, or reading flow isolation that encourages this behavior in the first place. Scraping is inevitable no matter how hard we run from it, but we can prevent the hands of vice from linking arms by intercepting it with a healthier ui. Hopefully.
@ariadne@social.treehouse.systems @bobbyd0g@mastodon.hellsite.net @conte@social.treehouse.systems I don't think misskey does proper full text search without elasticsearch, just basic matches, which are tolerable (the few times I used it, ~5s or so).
@bobbyd0g @ariadne I don't like using the broad term harm, if we want to discuss the ramifications lets be specific as to what QRTs perpetuated in english speaking conversations: Contextless dogpiling. The proposed quote toot already has a better foundation to avoid this.
Message limits are longer so its harder to misplace the original speaker's context as a writer or a reader without exposing yourself as a bad faith actor. We, and other well managed instances have actual moderation and administrative communication to nix such cascades in the bud should they happen. And lastly, the critical mass of any given flood post is much higher since follower timelines have no engagement prioritization.
Conversely, the QRTing format itself encourages this behavior in a few ways that mastodon doesn't fix if its ported wholesale, the most egregious being prefixing the QRT to the quoted content rather than the other way around. Really, anything that further isolates quoted post content from the flow of reading an adversarial reply primes a reader for the offensive, so UI integration and control over what part of a post the QRT'r is quoting is necessary for a healthy implementation.
@bobbyd0g this guy is so so so annoying, i'll almost block hackyderm just for him
@scanlime lmao, i'm trying to do the right thing but it was definitely so combative on its face over a genuinely arguable issue
@scanlime @bobbyd0g Funny you mention that, I saw an earlier post dissing hachyderm because its users are 'AWS/Google people' who dislike software that isn't how they think it should be, and made a point of making his mastodon-related improvements/projects unpalatable for them.
I thought that person was exaggerating but then I ran into the QRT guy today. I hope not everyone on there is like him.
For clarity, I pointed out how quoting other statuses tends to lead to distancing people from needing to be empathic and needing to have an actual conversation and actually talk with other people as a reason to oppose it and how it directly enables the "perpetual perceived sin" thing that other social media has so many issues with as a reason to not do that.
"You're obsolete" lmao come on, you're the one coming from a dead website and expecting us to implement one of its killers. For you. In *this* software. Instead of just using other ActivityPub software that already does it.