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@ariadne @conte There's plenty of reason to believe that invasive capital-driven systems will find ways to start mapping, monitoring, and interconnecting the network without us, so "effectively repel" continues to be a commitment required

@conte @ariadne If the network continued to reject and effectively repel broad search, the deleterious effects of QTs would be greatly reduced from the original functionality on Twitter. However I believe we should always *consider* the way we build our systems as erecting incentive structures for users that may or may not be conducive to healthy social connection. You'll never catch me claiming QTs have no positive value, only that they can and do harm.

@scanlime lmao, i'm trying to do the right thing but it was definitely so combative on its face over a genuinely arguable issue

"You're obsolete" lmao come on, you're the one coming from a dead website and expecting us to implement one of its killers. For you. In *this* software. Instead of just using other ActivityPub software that already does it.

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(You miss dunking? Have some dunk, Rich!) Move over dumbasses, here come the identitarian white liberals to show you how Mastodon should be done!!! and pave the way for minorities!! Thank goodness Black people have this unbidden pack of crackers doing vanguard service to accurately and faithfully advance their causes! To bring back … quote tweets, the healthiest feature on Twitter! What we're really missing on this website is maximum conflict.

@dalias And wielding "anti-Blackness" as an all-defeating shorthand absolutely devoid of context or reference when it's being thrown around by white people (Do I read your avatar correctly?) with such opportunistic abandon, under such questionable pretenses, it also doesn't speak well of your personal and identity boundaries and what concepts you have much right to deploy so flippantly toward advocating your preferences.

@dalias I should also point out that your first comment smacks of colonialism, where a culture exists somewhere, and because you've come directly from a different culture to find this whole new system equally available to you, that the original culture should not only bend to your whims (from a network that expelled them) but actively seek to fulfill them with software development. If you even studied the culture you're entering, you'd know QT-capable ActivityPub software exists.

@dalias This is in fact sort of a devil's advocate position. I routinely mourn all the POSITIVE I can and do create with quote tweets. I'm thinking about other ways to achieve them, or to mitigate their place in bad behavior, all the time. But there are clear incentive structures they naturally facilitate that we've all become well-trained to use quite thoughtlessly, and to the benefit of network operators who profit from conflict. Mastodon wasn't built to replicate that effect.

@dalias So what you're saying is that there's no value in the fact that my first instinct was to dunk on you to all the people who do, or should, know better, BUT THEN… when I discovered no ready-made tool existed to facilitate my dunk, and the effort required to achieve the same effect to devalue your point, but without getting the same network-effect benefits, I thought instead of what I'd spend my time better on to achieve change & consider nuance, I wrote this *to* you instead?

@dalias And wielding "anti-Blackness" as an all-defeating shorthand absolutely devoid of context or reference when it's being thrown around by white people (Do I read your avatar correctly?) with such opportunistic abandon, under such questionable pretenses, it also doesn't speak well of your personal and identity boundaries and what concepts you have much right to deploy so flippantly toward advocating your preferences.

@dalias I should also point out that your first comment smacks of colonialism, where a culture exists somewhere, and because you've come directly from a different culture to find this whole new system equally available to you, that the original culture should not only bend to your whims (from a network that expelled them) but actively seek to fulfill them with software development. If you even studied the culture you're entering, you'd know QT-capable ActivityPub software exists.

@dalias This is in fact sort of a devil's advocate position. I routinely mourn all the POSITIVE I can and do create with quote tweets. I'm thinking about other ways to achieve them, or to mitigate their place in bad behavior, all the time. But there are clear incentive structures they naturally facilitate that we've all become well-trained to use quite thoughtlessly, and to the benefit of network operators who profit from conflict. Mastodon wasn't built to replicate that effect.

@dalias So what you're saying is that there's no value in the fact that my first instinct was to dunk on you to all the people who do, or should, know better, BUT THEN… when I discovered no ready-made tool existed to facilitate my dunk, and the effort required to achieve the same effect to devalue your point, but without getting the same network-effect benefits, I thought instead of what I'd spend my time better on to achieve change & consider nuance, I wrote this *to* you instead?

You're all part of a revolutionary process right now, but its tools can take you for a pleasant ride while the corporate world promises to catch up and usurp the methods of de-enclosure, to take back our emerging forms of public space they thought they'd bought. You must repel them, actively! Wherever you are on this network, please involve yourself in the maintenance and governance of your instance, the broader network, and the sustainable self-direction of your communities, however feasible!

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I am no individualist. Without solidarity, there can be no revolution, and no martyrs, only destruction and victims.

In a world built on bare minimums, solidarity means doing more, wherever you can. It means making somebody else's problems *your* problem. It means taking no moment for granted when there is revolution to make right now. It means building society wherever you go. It means taking responsibility for your connections & your perspective right now. It means being what you want to see.

"Mastodon sucks because any one of the 5000+ communities can set their own rules and might accidentally deprive people in that community of my witty hot takes for a reason I personally believe to be flippant" isn't the sick burn that the Twitter user with 50k followers thinks it is.

Small #FediTip: if you encounter a message or thread that is in any way useful to you, bookmark it straight away.

Since the fediverse doesn't have full text searches, it will be very difficult to find that particular thing again a few days later. Especially if you cannot remember who posted it or it has no hashtags.

Periodically review your bookmarks to do something with them and you should be set.

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